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Post by Administrator on Feb 27, 2009 16:54:35 GMT
Here's an interesting Post from the BSF by Parsloes1928nearly regarding club qualification for this website. It's thought provoking. Any views?
Parsloes 1928 ne... Feb 23 2009, 07:24 PM
QUOTE (speedyguy @ Feb 22 2009, 05:37 PM) And Crayford...
REPLY READ: Well, Crayford (disregarding its alleged '30s incarnation - as a grass speedway track I believe.. ), as a League track was ALWAYS in a London Borough (LB Bexley...) as opposed to an UDC of Kent...
High Beech and Hoddesdon are not and never have been in London Boroughs.. Barnet & Staines are now..: but not sure if there were when Speedway was there; and fairly certain the same would've applied to Elstree and certainly Greenford...
And Thurrock (where Arena Essex is...) has also never been in a London Borough
So, yes, actually Crayford is far more of a London track than any of those other ones...!!!
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Post by thebaldeagle1932 on Feb 27, 2009 21:19:59 GMT
I have mixed views on this opinion about what constitutes a London speedway track. Obviously there must be boundaries. The key question is how far should they extend for the benefit of this site to include them? It's a topic I'll think hard about, then come back with an opinion. Hopefully by then somebody else would have also given their views about the tracks selected from the introduction of this forum. Frankly, I think all the tracks selected are there on merit. But it's worth giving some careful thought to for all that.
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Post by tungate on Mar 1, 2009 0:35:36 GMT
In my day it was "Speedway every day of the week in London" To do this there were Wimbledon, West Ham, New Cross, Wembley, Harringay, Walthamstow & Rye House on a Sunday which was accepted by all as a London track although it wasnt in London as such.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 8, 2009 13:50:03 GMT
A Post on the BSF (March 8 2009) Today, 01:19 PM by Norbold:
QUOTE (Parsloes 1928 nearly @ Feb 23 2009, 07:24 PM) Well, Crayford (disregarding its alleged '30s incarnation - as a grass speedway track I believe.. ), as a League track was ALWAYS in a London Borough (LB Bexley...) as opposed to an UDC of Kent...
High Beech and Hoddesdon are not and never have been in London Boroughs.. Barnet & Staines are now..: but not sure if there were when Speedway was there; and fairly certain the same would've applied to Elstree and certainly Greenford...
And Thurrock (where Arena Essex is...) has also never been in a London Borough
NORBOLD REPLIED: So, yes, actually Crayford is far more of a London track than any of those other ones...!!! Barnet and Staines were not in London when there was speedway there. Clapton (Lea Bridge) was never in London when it was operating as a speedway either. West Ham and Wembley were not in London until their respective revivals in 1964 and 1970.
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Post by Administrator on Mar 8, 2009 17:36:04 GMT
Parsloes1928 nearly March 8 2009 Today, 04:57 PM on the BSF:QUOTE (speedyguy @ Mar 8 2009, 01:53 PM) It has also raised concerns as to whether Crystal Palace (Penge and Anerley UDC) and Wimbledon were also bona-fide London tracks. More importantly, it also gives doubt as to the validity of both the London Riders Championship and London Cup in the sport's early days. If the culling of clubs advocated for the London Speedways was to be followed, I can only see these as genuine London tracks - Catford, Harringay, Hackney, New Cross and Stamford Bridge...and the Chiswick training circuit. Parsloes 1928 replied:Surely NOT Chiswick!! Wimbledon was always a London post-code was it not..? As I'd have said was Clapton (Lea Bridge)..?? And you've forgotten White City, s-g.. No doubt, surely, that Shepherds Bush is 'London'..!!
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Post by mrsgustix on Mar 8, 2009 20:39:53 GMT
I can't see what the fuss is about over what defines a London track. You have to give and take a little and I think the selection is good, even if it may be London AND the Home Counties.
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Post by tungate on Mar 8, 2009 22:07:22 GMT
Fair enough Mrs G. London is after all only 1 mile square, or something like that, so we were told at School. Speedway has always had anomalies. like Scotland including Jack Young and England using McKinley & Miller and the 3 Williams brothers and the Aussies using Ron Johnson & Bert Spencer who came from Scotland & Surrey respectively
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Post by fredthered on Dec 13, 2013 15:39:34 GMT
As local resident (and former Wembley Speedway supporter), perhaps I can shed some light on the discussion as to whether Crayford Speedway was in London. Post Office boundaries and Post Codes exist solely for that organisation's purposes. More relevant are local government administrative boundaries. Until the reorganisation of local government in London in 1965, Crayford was administered by an Urban District Council within the County of Kent. However, in 1965, three years before the rebirth of Crayford Speedway, the National Government of the day enlarged the London administrative area of the previous London County Council by creation of the Greater London Council, covering a much larger area than previously. Simultaneously, 32 new London boroughs were created (plus the City of London Corporation).
Crayford became a part of the new London Borough of Bexley, reflecting its geographical location as part of the Capital's growing connurbation. For stragetic matters, the "new" Bexley came within the jurisdiction of the Greater London Council (which was later abolished). For administration purposes, it no longer has any responsibility to Kent County Council. Thus, it can be said that the 1930s Crayford Speedway was in Kent, but that there is no doubt that the Crayford Speedway inaugurated in 1965 was in London.
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